Scottish Independence Yes or No
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Scottish Independance
You've said it. 300 years ago. Good luck.Lets leave it there!
Re: Scottish Independance
Forgive me Kentish Man but I'm simply trying to understand why you want us in the first place..?Kentish man wrote:I thought it was you lot ,who advocate leaving the UK who were the moaners.
We spend your money on our parliament buildings; we trash your pension; we send your sons to war in far off lands; and we moan a lot. Why then are we better together from your perspective? Surely you should support our departure from your island nation? If you're the well educated Englishman you claim to be, why aren't you pro-independence?
Re: Scottish Independance
They were robbedali-bumble wrote: We are but a Colony bought by Westminster in the 17th Century for £20,000
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Re: Scottish Independance
Yeah, Manhattan was a much better buy...MickB3 wrote:They were robbedali-bumble wrote: We are but a Colony bought by Westminster in the 17th Century for £20,000
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The UK as a whole has been brought to its knees since the 70's and has never recovered., Cameron et al continue this downward spiral that I do not wish to be part of.
We should consider ourselves very lucky that we have the chance to leave the UK and not stay aboard the sinking ship that it currently is.
Take manufacturing V GDP for example.
Here in the UK that ratio is about half what it is in the most of Europe
We were once a nation(UK) to be proud of before Maggie sold off everything and killed out industry.
Now we(Scotland) have a chance to rectify this
We should consider ourselves very lucky that we have the chance to leave the UK and not stay aboard the sinking ship that it currently is.
Take manufacturing V GDP for example.
Here in the UK that ratio is about half what it is in the most of Europe
We were once a nation(UK) to be proud of before Maggie sold off everything and killed out industry.
Now we(Scotland) have a chance to rectify this
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ali-bumble wrote:The UK as a whole has been brought to its knees since the 70's and has never recovered. [/quote
Yes by Scottish"politicians" , you are more than welcome to Blair and Brown, and all the other Scottish Labour MPs who have shafted the whole of the UK not just England.
They have also had a bias towards Scotland, free hospital parking, free prescriptions, etc,etc, all paid for by UK tax payers.
I do not care less whether Scotland leaves the UK or not, just don't moan when it all goes horribly wrong
As someone who is not eligible to vote due to not being (or ever have been) resident in Scotland, I feel that I am not as fully briefed by either side of the argument as I would like to be - in an interested observer capacity.
The problem, as I see it, is that there are a number of significant issues that need to be considered which appear to present conflicting benefits to each side. As such, this will lead to a rather cloudy view which will generate polarised opinions depending on which issue you are focusing on.
The overall result will depend on the balance that the voters choose for all of these issues and at the moment, each side is pushing those issues that show their case in the best light - and, by definition, shows the other side poorly.
What I do have an opinion on is that Mr Salmond and his team are taking advantage of this more successfully than the Better Together team at the moment, but then this has always been something that Mr Salmond has always been very skilled at.
Which way should it go? I don't know
Which way will it go? Again, I don't know
Which way do I want it to go? I favour the retention of the Union but with greater clarity regarding who is responsible for what. But then, this is what I believe Mr Salmond is actually hoping to achieve and something the Westminster establishment are trying to avoid.
One word of caution for Mr Salmond, however, as he should be careful what he wishes for. With greater responsibility comes greater accountability. Remember that this is the man who won his first political election when he was voted onto the School Council at the age of 9 by promising to scrap milk and introduce milkshakes. It's no surprise that he failed to deliver on his promises then ....
The problem, as I see it, is that there are a number of significant issues that need to be considered which appear to present conflicting benefits to each side. As such, this will lead to a rather cloudy view which will generate polarised opinions depending on which issue you are focusing on.
The overall result will depend on the balance that the voters choose for all of these issues and at the moment, each side is pushing those issues that show their case in the best light - and, by definition, shows the other side poorly.
What I do have an opinion on is that Mr Salmond and his team are taking advantage of this more successfully than the Better Together team at the moment, but then this has always been something that Mr Salmond has always been very skilled at.
Which way should it go? I don't know
Which way will it go? Again, I don't know
Which way do I want it to go? I favour the retention of the Union but with greater clarity regarding who is responsible for what. But then, this is what I believe Mr Salmond is actually hoping to achieve and something the Westminster establishment are trying to avoid.
One word of caution for Mr Salmond, however, as he should be careful what he wishes for. With greater responsibility comes greater accountability. Remember that this is the man who won his first political election when he was voted onto the School Council at the age of 9 by promising to scrap milk and introduce milkshakes. It's no surprise that he failed to deliver on his promises then ....
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Amazing that this subject causes so much debate when the UK as a whole cannot agree what, how much or whether at all it wants to do with the EU yet remains a member of all but the shared currency (barring a few pointless veto rights).
Meanwhile the UK tries its hardest to be the 51st state and at the same time tries to head up some thing called "the Commonwealth", where the wealth is commonly taken by a few heads of state and kept safe in a country called Switzerland which is neither in the Commonwealth or the EU.
The Scottish issue is quite simply not worth the debate amongst these issues and its presence in the political section of the news media is akin to a pop star's daughter dying becoming front page news - pointless and ludicrous.
Meanwhile the UK tries its hardest to be the 51st state and at the same time tries to head up some thing called "the Commonwealth", where the wealth is commonly taken by a few heads of state and kept safe in a country called Switzerland which is neither in the Commonwealth or the EU.
The Scottish issue is quite simply not worth the debate amongst these issues and its presence in the political section of the news media is akin to a pop star's daughter dying becoming front page news - pointless and ludicrous.
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