Wanted F31 LCI

[funkymonkey9876]

Guys/Girls/Others....

After losing out on a couple of F31s recently, I wanted to ask if there is anyone possibly thinking about selling their F31. But is looking to wait for lockdown to end and don't want to get shafted (albeit politely of course!) by a dealer, as I'm looking for one to buy.

I'm looking for below 50K miles with a nice options list. This is of course subjective but happy to discuss.

Please feel free to PM if you’d prefer.

Thank you very much in advance.

[MPJ]

Been looking for the same type of car too. For me it has to be 2018 or newer.

Frustrating isn't it when you see them get px'd in and then the dealer sticks £5k on top!

Good luck in your search.

[Bob]

Been looking for the same type of car too. For me it has to be 2018 or newer.

Frustrating isn't it when you see them get px'd in and then the dealer sticks £5k on top!

Good luck in your search.

Not sure whether you are after a B or a D.

Most of the B3 S' (10 of 12) were registered in 2018 or later, only the first two are 67-plates I believe, but there are only two D3's that I know of:

• #218 (built Jun-16) - owner is a member here.

• #270 (built Nov/Dec-17) - never seen it in the wild so exact details still to be confirmed.

[funkymonkey9876]

I’m looking for D but would certainly consider a B.

I did try and get the last green one that Sytner had but in the end it went for the full £65k.

A dealer putting on £5k is probably quite normal and reasonable but I’m seeing double that at least for the last few I’ve tried to purchase.

[Jonnywishbone]

Not sure whether you are after a B or a D.

Most of the B3 S' (10 of 12) were registered in 2018 or later, only the first two are 67-plates I believe, but there are only two D3's that I know of:

• #218 (built Jun-16) - owner is a member here.

• #270 (built Nov/Dec-17) - never seen it in the wild so exact details still to be confirmed.

My apologies to the OP for going O/T but best place for the query is probably here rather than a new thread.

Bob I'm aware that on the archive there are 12 petrol F31's listed as having been delivered to UK customers; however the archive is also incomplete. Does the figure of 12 come from the archive and therefore does that mean there may well be more than 12 petrol F31's that are not accounted for? if not, where does the figure come from?

[Bob]

Not sure whether you are after a B or a D.

Most of the B3 S' (10 of 12) were registered in 2018 or later, only the first two are 67-plates I believe, but there are only two D3's that I know of:

• #218 (built Jun-16) - owner is a member here.

• #270 (built Nov/Dec-17) - never seen it in the wild so exact details still to be confirmed.

My apologies to the OP for going O/T but best place for the query is probably here rather than a new thread.

Bob I'm aware that on the archive there are 12 petrol F31's listed as having been delivered to UK customers; however the archive is also incomplete. Does the figure of 12 come from the archive and therefore does that mean there may well be more than 12 petrol F31's that are not accounted for? if not, where does the figure come from?

Sal - not sure if we are talking about the same 'archive', but for clarity, the ALPINA Archive currently only has 7 of the 12 UK B3 S' published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=718 ... bt-touring

However, based on the build data ALPINA have supplied, there was a total of 12 UK spec RHD F31 B3 S'. It is only incomplete because we have yet to publish the other 5 cars, which we hold off doing until there are images or contact is made by an owner.

Additionally, there were 6 UK Spec RHD B3's and they are all published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=682 ... bo-touring

[MPJ]

Not sure whether you are after a B or a D.

Most of the B3 S' (10 of 12) were registered in 2018 or later, only the first two are 67-plates I believe, but there are only two D3's that I know of:

• #218 (built Jun-16) - owner is a member here.

• #270 (built Nov/Dec-17) - never seen it in the wild so exact details still to be confirmed.

My apologies to the OP for going O/T but best place for the query is probably here rather than a new thread.

Bob I'm aware that on the archive there are 12 petrol F31's listed as having been delivered to UK customers; however the archive is also incomplete. Does the figure of 12 come from the archive and therefore does that mean there may well be more than 12 petrol F31's that are not accounted for? if not, where does the figure come from?

Sal - not sure if we are talking about the same 'archive', but for clarity, the ALPINA Archive currently only has 7 of the 12 UK B3 S' published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=718 ... bt-touring

However, based on the build data ALPINA have supplied, there was a total of 12 UK spec RHD F31 B3 S'. It is only incomplete because we have yet to publish the other 5 cars, which we hold off doing until there are images or contact is made by an owner.

Additionally, there were 6 UK Spec RHD B3's and they are all published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=682 ... bo-touring

Lots of information on that site. How does all this information get onto that website? Just when they come up for sale? There's some numbers missing for example. Have they just not been seen yet?


Looks like I need to find the owners of these. Let the stalking commence!
https://www.alpina-archive.com/?p=21807 ... ouring-182
https://www.alpina-archive.com/?p=22871 ... ouring-197

[Jonnywishbone]

Not sure whether you are after a B or a D.

Most of the B3 S' (10 of 12) were registered in 2018 or later, only the first two are 67-plates I believe, but there are only two D3's that I know of:

• #218 (built Jun-16) - owner is a member here.

• #270 (built Nov/Dec-17) - never seen it in the wild so exact details still to be confirmed.

My apologies to the OP for going O/T but best place for the query is probably here rather than a new thread.

Bob I'm aware that on the archive there are 12 petrol F31's listed as having been delivered to UK customers; however the archive is also incomplete. Does the figure of 12 come from the archive and therefore does that mean there may well be more than 12 petrol F31's that are not accounted for? if not, where does the figure come from?

Sal - not sure if we are talking about the same 'archive', but for clarity, the ALPINA Archive currently only has 7 of the 12 UK B3 S' published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=718 ... bt-touring

However, based on the build data ALPINA have supplied, there was a total of 12 UK spec RHD F31 B3 S'. It is only incomplete because we have yet to publish the other 5 cars, which we hold off doing until there are images or contact is made by an owner.

Additionally, there were 6 UK Spec RHD B3's and they are all published: https://www.alpina-archive.com/?cat=682 ... bo-touring

Thanks Bob, I did mean the Alpina Archive. I had actually neglected to read properly and thought you meant there were 12 total F31 B3 and B3S, which was the case last time I looked (5 B3 and 7 B3S, though you are quite correct, now I've looked again there are 6 B3 Touring's on there). Anyway I think I'm confusing matters even more now!

Is the build data from Alpina in the public domain?

[Bob]

Lots of information on that site. How does all this information get onto that website? Just when they come up for sale? There's some numbers missing for example. Have they just not been seen yet?

Thanks Bob, I did mean the Alpina Archive. I had actually neglected to read properly and thought you meant there were 12 total F31 B3 and B3S, which was the case last time I looked (5 B3 and 7 B3S, though you are quite correct, now I've looked again there are 6 B3 Touring's on there). Anyway I think I'm confusing matters even more now!

Is the build data from Alpina in the public domain?

Sal - I had assumed you meant the Archive, but sometimes there is confusion with that and the Register and people mix them up a bit.

The owner of the Archive has built a relationship with ALPINA to the point that Buchloe and BMW provide build data for all the ALPINA cars produced. This underpins the Archive, but the site is as far as the publicly available info goes.
Vehicles are only published in the Archive as and when an owner is identified or vehicles appear for sale, so yes, numbers missing from the sequence indicate a vehicle has yet to be seen the wild*.

* The only caveat to this is that there are certain reasons why not every number in a sequence is assigned to a vehicle.
For example, the F10 B5 BiTurbo saw total production of 320 units, but the last build number was #347. This is because ALPINA chose to continue using the B5 BiTurbo model name throughout the model's life even though there are four distinct evolutions of the N63B44 engine: M1, M1/1, M2/1 & M2/2. At each change over a few numbers were skipped which results in the disconnect.
Not sure why ALPINA chose to do it this way, but they seem to have handled such changes in a few different ways historically e.g. F3x B3 vs B3S, E6x B5 vs B5S and most confusingly the E39 B10 V8 that had the F3 and F4 engines are named the same but the LCI model became the V8/1 but still had an F4

Looks like I need to find the owners of these. Let the stalking commence!
https://www.alpina-archive.com/?p=21807 ... ouring-182
https://www.alpina-archive.com/?p=22871 ... ouring-197

What I know of these two:
#182 has not yet been presented for it's first MOT (dues 03-Apr-21) although it is taxed until Apr-22. Wonder if it could've already have been traded in at 3yrs old? The original owner was on the forum but I don't have his user name and I believe the thread was lost in the great crash of 2018. (He wasn't very active from what I remember)
#197 has appeared on Autogespot/Spotted Section, crops up in the Greater London area quite often. I would expect that won't surface for another 12mths or so, maybe gets traded back in at Sytner. viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24883

[Jonnywishbone]

Nice one Bob, thanks.

[funkymonkey9876]

On the register, B3 152 looks remarkably similar to D3 235.

Both from Bramley motors as well.

Is this correct?

Not trying to pick holes but I do like a good car stalk! And 235 looks perfect

Can I also add the following numbers, to see if there are any sightings?
159 - seems to be the only D3 with Lavilina
235 - mentioned above
139 -
214 - recently lost out on
197- mentioned above
242 nice interior

[MPJ]

#182 has not yet been presented for it's first MOT (dues 03-Apr-21) although it is taxed until Apr-22. Wonder if it could've already have been traded in at 3yrs old? The original owner was on the forum but I don't have his user name and I believe the thread was lost in the great crash of 2018. (He wasn't very active from what I remember)

I don't know how you know this info but thank you for trying!

Is it possible to search users signatures on this forum?

[Bob]

On the register, B3 152 looks remarkably similar to D3 235.

Both from Bramley motors as well.

Is this correct?

Not trying to pick holes but I do like a good car stalk! And 235 looks perfect

Can I also add the following numbers, to see if there are any sightings?
159 - seems to be the only D3 with Lavilina
235 - mentioned above
139 -
214 - recently lost out on
197- mentioned above
242 nice interior

Bramleys definitely have a style when they spec new ALPINA, proverbial Xmas Trees. Not much to distinguish a B3/D3 when they are the same colour schemes. They are both still showing on Bramleys website, previously sold page.

None of the B3's got Lavalina but there is also D3 #014 (also Bramleys) which had Cognac Lavalina under Mineral Grey.

B3's:
#197, see previous post

D3's:
#139 was a Sytner Press car, last seen when Sytner sold it in Jan-20
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/al ... ing-review
#159 was featured in the Grand Tour Office Lunchtime GP episode (see spotted section)
#197, was crashed with damage to NSR including suspension. Offered for sale as salvage, not takers so seller repaired it and offered it for sale. Whilst on sale it appears to have been rear ended again and was last seen offered as salvage again. Probably best avoided unless it's really cheap (which it wasn't previously). Not sure if it actually has a CAT marker ... but it definitely should have.
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=24036&p=198048&hil ... 97#p198048
#214, is this actually sold?
#235 no sign of it since Bramleys sold it
#242 owner is on here

[Bob]

#182 has not yet been presented for it's first MOT (dues 03-Apr-21) although it is taxed until Apr-22. Wonder if it could've already have been traded in at 3yrs old? The original owner was on the forum but I don't have his user name and I believe the thread was lost in the great crash of 2018. (He wasn't very active from what I remember)

I don't know how you know this info but thank you for trying!

Is it possible to search users signatures on this forum?

Since the forum was recovered after the hacks, it is only possible to search new posts since then, the recovered history has never been re-indexed so the search doesn't work, plus there was a window of a few months which was lost between last backup and hack date. Checking back it looks like the window was Feb to May 2019 not 2018.

#182 was offered for sale between Dec-18 & Feb-19 and I'm sure there was a thread from that period but I can't find any sign of it now.

[CB 987]

On the register, B3 152 looks remarkably similar to D3 235.

Both from Bramley motors as well.

Is this correct?

Not trying to pick holes but I do like a good car stalk! And 235 looks perfect

Can I also add the following numbers, to see if there are any sightings?
159 - seems to be the only D3 with Lavilina
235 - mentioned above
139 -
214 - recently lost out on
197- mentioned above
242 nice interior

Bramleys definitely have a style when they spec new ALPINA, proverbial Xmas Trees. Not much to distinguish a B3/D3 when they are the same colour schemes. They are both still showing on Bramleys website, previously sold page.

None of the B3's got Lavalina but there is also D3 #014 (also Bramleys) which had Cognac Lavalina under Mineral Grey.

B3's:
#197, see previous post

D3's:
#139 was a Sytner Press car, last seen when Sytner sold it in Jan-20
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/al ... ing-review
#159 was featured in the Grand Tour Office Lunchtime GP episode (see spotted section)
#197, was crashed with damage to NSR including suspension. Offered for sale as salvage, not takers so seller repaired it and offered it for sale. Whilst on sale it appears to have been rear ended again and was last seen offered as salvage again. Probably best avoided unless it's really cheap (which it wasn't previously). Not sure if it actually has a CAT marker ... but it definitely should have.
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=24036&p=198048&hil ... 97#p198048
#214, is this actually sold?
#235 no sign of it since Bramleys sold it
#242 owner is on here

I actually followed #214 this morning for a few miles, first time I’ve spotted another F31, it looked immaculate, like the new owner had perhaps just collected it?

Cheers.