B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by bobbly » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:55 am

Charles wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:15 pm
bobbly wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:15 pm
Charles wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:40 pm
if the reserve has been completely removed, then someone will get an absolute bargain ...
If there is no reserve, the listing heading states so. Therefore, there is one not yet met

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Thanks - I wasn't aware that they state "No Reserve".
Something I picked up on a short time ago. A direct question was placed to the site operators and they kindly explained their 'system' wrt reserve values. Once a reserve is met (or indeed if no reserve is in place from the beginning) the listing heading states so.
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:39 pm
That is a disappointing result. Wonder if the seller has misjudged the peak market valuation for this one. :think

I wonder if the seller (and others) are misjudging the car market, vis:-

a) bidders grow weary of seeing same vehicles unsold and relisted and know they have little chance of it being bid up to tip over the reserve and hence don't bid. I'll be honest, I was close to bidding this time, but decided I'd be wasting my effort. I don't need or wish for an investment, just another interesting car (to me) to use as and when as I don't stockpile cars, I use them.
b) an awful lot of people are in dire financial straits atm. Not the ideal time to be selling a car which, as an investment, won't appreciate much for the large relative outlay for essentially in many eyes, an E46 3-series tourer
c) threads such as these whereby apparent 'knowledgers' in the brand bandy numbers around and all are way below the owners' inflated mindset. If picked up by the bidders, this type of 'knowledge' may deter them. Now maybe if the seller were to offer us all a slice of his inflated value mindset, perhaps we could encourage the market for him :lol:


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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Charles » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:10 pm

CaesarBob wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:39 pm
Wonder if the seller has misjudged the peak market valuation for this one. :think
Too greedy with the original reserve/price, perhaps?

But you would have thought that the first auction might have given you a clue where the market might have been ...
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Bob » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:59 pm

I agree with all your points bobbly, and for me (a) is most likely the feeling amongst genuine potential buyers. If he seriously wanted to sell, the £14-15k bid was probably the best valuation likely to be achieved in the short/medium term.

As has been said many times, ALPINAs are a niche brand and finding the buyer who truly understands and values that can be tough, particularly in today’s challenging times.
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Metrics » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:26 pm

bobbly wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:55 am

I wonder if the seller (and others) are misjudging the car market, vis:-

a) bidders grow weary of seeing same vehicles unsold and relisted and know they have little chance of it being bid up to tip over the reserve and hence don't bid. I'll be honest, I was close to bidding this time, but decided I'd be wasting my effort. I don't need or wish for an investment, just another interesting car (to me) to use as and when as I don't stockpile cars, I use them.
b) an awful lot of people are in dire financial straits atm. Not the ideal time to be selling a car which, as an investment, won't appreciate much for the large relative outlay for essentially in many eyes, an E46 3-series tourer
c) threads such as these whereby apparent 'knowledgers' in the brand bandy numbers around and all are way below the owners' inflated mindset. If picked up by the bidders, this type of 'knowledge' may deter them. Now maybe if the seller were to offer us all a slice of his inflated value mindset, perhaps we could encourage the market for him :lol:


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Nail hit on the head!
Charles wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:10 pm
But you would have thought that the first auction might have given you a clue where the market might have been ...
Absolutely - this would have been the most logical indicator
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:59 pm
As has been said many times, ALPINAs are a niche brand and finding the buyer who truly understands and values that can be tough, particularly in today’s challenging times.
Yes, so niche the the buyers will be the same each time it's listed and crucially remember the car's advertising past AND they tend to do their research!
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by ScooBeeFive » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:52 pm

This is now showing as sold, for £13,000. Looks like a deal must have been done this morning after the auction completed. I think that is a cracking car for the money - would be nice if the owner were to show up on here.....
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Charles » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:51 am

Just grabbed a screenshot of the sale price in case my insurers disagree with me on valuation ...
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by ScooBeeFive » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:50 pm

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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by ali » Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:13 pm

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Back on Collecting Cars:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/200 ... 3s-touring
Perhaps some one should let them know it's a 3.4l not a 3.3
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Frosty » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:00 am

Why does it have the paint removed from the vin's?

Lovely car though.
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Hodge » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:56 am

Didn’t keep that long, nice to she’s still out and about though

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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Bob » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:04 pm

Frosty wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:00 am
Why does it have the paint removed from the vin's?
They originally had a clear sticker over top, when it comes off it seems to take the paint with it. Seen a few E46 and E39’s with similar.
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Frosty » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:33 pm

ahh thanks oracle :wink:
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by churchie386 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:29 am

Looking at the service history on the CC photos it was last serviced 24/10/2019. That's like two and a half years ago.

I'm interested, as I still want another Alpina Touring, but should I worry about it not being serviced for such a period of time? Or do I just throw caution to the wind?

What does one need to look for, or does common sense apply to B3S of this vintage?
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by Charles » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:42 am

Bob wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:04 pm
Frosty wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:00 am
Why does it have the paint removed from the vin's?
They originally had a clear sticker over top ...
Mine never did!
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Re: B3S touring #029: Hodge's old car

Post by CB 987 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:46 am

churchie386 wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:29 am
Looking at the service history on the CC photos it was last serviced 24/10/2019. That's like two and a half years ago.

I'm interested, as I still want another Alpina Touring, but should I worry about it not being serviced for such a period of time? Or do I just throw caution to the wind?

What does one need to look for, or does common sense apply to B3S of this vintage?
At those sort of miles, it is probably due a suspension refresh, head gasket imminently and potentially some gear box work, would be interesting to see if any of those jobs have been done. Personally I’d be tempted to manual convert it if the gearbox gave up.
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