had to post this

[D4]

If this stuff is refillable free for life, what's to stop Jacoda buying some and then selling us all an egg cup full and getting it refilled

nothing I suppose.. apart from the container has to be returned to the states to be refilled so this would have to be factored into the refill 'costs'

[B10-165]

Get a load of this.....
http://www.zdouk.com/Default.aspx
The word is that they are not renewing thier contract to supply Zymol products and are selling up at trade prices.....

[D4]

very interesting indeed Mark...

can definately see me getting some HD cleanse etc at that price

[nealpina]

Jacoda434, I am not having a dig at you and please do not take it as such. My only interest in posting this is because I just would like to know the true value for Zymol wax.

Economically how much is the wax worth? I don’t know anything about wax if Zymol is the best, or if it is all PR/marketing.

Lets say I decided to start a professional detailer business and I only use Zymol, and I wash 15 cars each week. At the end of every week I need a refill. In time my business grows, I therefore hire 4 new staff hence I now have 5 Zymols. As my business is a success, I spend 30 years developing the business and I only use 5 Zymols throughout that time.

Therefore in 30 years Zymol will be making a substantial loss (I actually would say after 36 weeks they will be starting to making a loss). My formula is £7000 for the price of Zymol / 1.66 (Zymol believe the product requires a refill every 18 months by the average customer (not business customer) who washes his car once a month). Therefore the true amount for the wax is below £4500. I can’t remember how I worked out 36 weeks because I am starting to fall asleep, as it is late. However my point is what business decides to make a loss? There must be strict terms and conditions for the refill certificate (which I can’t find on the internet anywhere) which say things like: refill is free for life but can only be refilled so many times each year. If there is no strict terms and conditions for the ownership of the certificate, and I can refill every week then the true value of the wax is not anything – not even a penny.

If anyone can provide me with Zymol certificate terms and conditions for refills, I will workout out a formula to establish the true value.

[D4]

Neal

just to clarify - you get alot more than 5 cars even from the smallest of zymol sample tubs... not sure exactly how many - but possibly 100+ full car waxes.. each car would take considerably less wax than a size of an egg. (sorry best analogy I could think of)

[D4]

additionally you don;t wax every time you wash - zymol provides a surface/finish that allows you to wash and buff up again without the need to rewax - not sure why you think most zymol users would need a refill after 18 months (perhaps from the very small sampler tubs)

[nealpina]

I am starting to fall asleep, but I am sure that I read somewhere that it is only good for 15 to 20 washes but I stand corrected hence the figure of 18 months

I am moving the goal posts now but lets say, I have 4 employees and myself and only one tub of zymol. We all wash 3 cars each day = 15 x 5 days = 75 cars. Also I rotate staff for weekends hence 5 cars are washed during that time = 80 cars per week. This is what I am confused about: if the certificate is for the average customer as well as business traders. Zymol will be making money out of household customers but a loss with traders.

If I am looking at this from the wrong angle then I will shut up.

[D4]

Neal I do hear where you're coming from..

but my understanding is that even the best detailer out there would struggle to do more than 1 car per day...

the car has to be completely washed/dried and prepped using HD Cleanse or similar before it's ready to have the wax hand applied which in itself is a time consuming process.

You also say that they will be losing money to traders but not domestis users - that could be true - but then surely that depends on how much it actually costs to produce the product... (i'd guess the markup is very high indeed)

[Grant]

I hear the secret ingredient is Dodo sperm

[nealpina]

I hear the secret ingredient is Dodo sperm

Wouldn’t it be cheaper if someone made their own zymol?