Chemistry question!
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Chemistry question!
I'm posting this here at least partly because Charles is a chemist and he may see it.
Some scrote nicked an el cheapo plastic dust cap from a valve on one of by wheels. Annoying and weird but hey, there's a cost of living crisis and who wants to fork out for plastic dust caps?
My understanding is that the TPMS valves are aluminium. I am considering buying some genuine BMW dust caps, part number 36122447401 which are also aluminium.
I'm aware that galvanic corrosion is an issue which can and will cause metal caps to seize on metal valve stems, at least when the metals are different, due (I presume) to galvanic corrosion.
My question is, is galvanic corrosion an issue if both stem and cap are both aluminium? If not, would there be another reason not to use these caps?
TIA.
Some scrote nicked an el cheapo plastic dust cap from a valve on one of by wheels. Annoying and weird but hey, there's a cost of living crisis and who wants to fork out for plastic dust caps?
My understanding is that the TPMS valves are aluminium. I am considering buying some genuine BMW dust caps, part number 36122447401 which are also aluminium.
I'm aware that galvanic corrosion is an issue which can and will cause metal caps to seize on metal valve stems, at least when the metals are different, due (I presume) to galvanic corrosion.
My question is, is galvanic corrosion an issue if both stem and cap are both aluminium? If not, would there be another reason not to use these caps?
TIA.
Sal
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Re: Chemistry question!
No pressure!
I assume you are referring to an external exposed valve rather than one hidden behind the centre cap.
Unless you are leaving the cap untouched for years, then the chances of any galvanic corrosion is minimal. As a point of reference, the hidden valve/cap is metal/metal and these don't suffer.
I assume you are referring to an external exposed valve rather than one hidden behind the centre cap.
Unless you are leaving the cap untouched for years, then the chances of any galvanic corrosion is minimal. As a point of reference, the hidden valve/cap is metal/metal and these don't suffer.
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Re: Chemistry question!
Thanks Charles and sorry for the name drop.
Yes it's an exposed valve. I can be a bit lax with manually checking pressures due to the TPMS but the caps would never remain untouched for longer than a few months.
Would I be right in assuming then that the numerous reports online of seized caps/valves is due to cheap/non-aluminium caps being used?
Yes it's an exposed valve. I can be a bit lax with manually checking pressures due to the TPMS but the caps would never remain untouched for longer than a few months.
Would I be right in assuming then that the numerous reports online of seized caps/valves is due to cheap/non-aluminium caps being used?
Sal
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Re: Chemistry question!
I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea on that one but my guess would be poor maintenance rather than anything else.Jonnywishbone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:18 pmWould I be right in assuming then that the numerous reports online of seized caps/valves is due to cheap/non-aluminium caps being used?
If you are concerned then you could smear a very thin coating of Vaseline on the thread of the valve stem and then screw the cap on. As well as reducing any metal on metal contact - and hence any potential for corrosion - it will also provide a barrier for water/salt/grit etc getting between the stem and the cap. However, make sure that it is only on the thread and is very thin, otherwise you might transfer some into the valve core which may cause leakage of air.
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Re: Chemistry question!
I'd avoid any metal valve caps.
I had metal ones on my 640d and at the most recent tyre change they had corroded in place, could not be removed by the mobile fitter and so they had to go to a centre and part of the TPMS was replaced for two of my wheels.
The tyre fitter said they have to do it regularly and recommended to only ever use plastic caps, as it's not worth the risk for something you can barely see.
I had metal ones on my 640d and at the most recent tyre change they had corroded in place, could not be removed by the mobile fitter and so they had to go to a centre and part of the TPMS was replaced for two of my wheels.
The tyre fitter said they have to do it regularly and recommended to only ever use plastic caps, as it's not worth the risk for something you can barely see.
Re: Chemistry question!
If you really want metal caps (and you hunt around a bit), you can get metal caps with a plastic liner that avoids the corrosion problems
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I fit loads of aluminium anodised valve caps to all the bikes I sell in my shop and as Charles mentions a smear of grease or vasoline will do the trick to stop them sticking
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Re: Chemistry question!
I’ve hedged my bets and ordered the aluminium ones and some el cheapo plastic ones (at least partly because I expect the nice ones to get nicked!). I might swap between metal and plastic every time I do a tyre pressure check which will reduce the risk. The Vaseline thing sounds like an eminently sensible additional precaution.
Thank you all.
Thank you all.
Sal
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