B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
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B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
Hi All,
I have someone loosely interested in buying my car currently.....having spent a bit of time with her/on her during lockdown, I'm not even sure I want to sell anymore, but that is another story.....
But the chap who is 'interested' is trying to work out if it is (or could be) ULEZ compliant. It is on a private plate currently, which when you put it into the checker, it fails but does pick up the cars colour....it is a 2001 facelift car.
BUT, when I put the cars original Y reg. no. in - i.e. the one it was registered on from new at first sale.....it passes....but doesn't pick up the cars colour....
But this reg. as I understand it, still 'belongs' to the car as in it will sit with DVLA indefinitely, and if ever my car has it's private plate removed, then it will default back onto this original reg. no....I think that is the same for all cars is it not?
Anyway, for comparison - when I check the £18K V8S that is currently for sale via Walkers - which is still on it's original 03 number plate...that passes.....when I check any older B10 V8's currently for sale or listed on the forum register....those on private reg. numbers seem to fail, those on their original assigned registrations seem to pass??
Can anyone shed any light on that anomaly please??
Secondly - after hearing back from TFL - the potential buyer has been asked by them to either a) provide a copy of the reg. document with all the relevant emissions data printed on it - obviously as an older Alpina, that section is completely blank....
so b) If no data is printed there, then it goes on to ask that a "certificate of conformity" be obtained from the manufacturer instead, in which case, who/where would I email either within the UK (who is the New Matt Stripling for example) or direct to Alpina in Germany, to obtain such a document to satisfy this requirement??
I doubt ULEZ will influence or affect many potential sales or buyers of older Alpina's, and whilst I'm not sure how genuine this particular buyer is anyway, it might be an interesting exercise to work this one out perhaps, so any thought/advice on the above would be appreciated.
Many thanks, David.
I have someone loosely interested in buying my car currently.....having spent a bit of time with her/on her during lockdown, I'm not even sure I want to sell anymore, but that is another story.....
But the chap who is 'interested' is trying to work out if it is (or could be) ULEZ compliant. It is on a private plate currently, which when you put it into the checker, it fails but does pick up the cars colour....it is a 2001 facelift car.
BUT, when I put the cars original Y reg. no. in - i.e. the one it was registered on from new at first sale.....it passes....but doesn't pick up the cars colour....
But this reg. as I understand it, still 'belongs' to the car as in it will sit with DVLA indefinitely, and if ever my car has it's private plate removed, then it will default back onto this original reg. no....I think that is the same for all cars is it not?
Anyway, for comparison - when I check the £18K V8S that is currently for sale via Walkers - which is still on it's original 03 number plate...that passes.....when I check any older B10 V8's currently for sale or listed on the forum register....those on private reg. numbers seem to fail, those on their original assigned registrations seem to pass??
Can anyone shed any light on that anomaly please??
Secondly - after hearing back from TFL - the potential buyer has been asked by them to either a) provide a copy of the reg. document with all the relevant emissions data printed on it - obviously as an older Alpina, that section is completely blank....
so b) If no data is printed there, then it goes on to ask that a "certificate of conformity" be obtained from the manufacturer instead, in which case, who/where would I email either within the UK (who is the New Matt Stripling for example) or direct to Alpina in Germany, to obtain such a document to satisfy this requirement??
I doubt ULEZ will influence or affect many potential sales or buyers of older Alpina's, and whilst I'm not sure how genuine this particular buyer is anyway, it might be an interesting exercise to work this one out perhaps, so any thought/advice on the above would be appreciated.
Many thanks, David.
Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
The car will revert back to the original number plate when you take the private plate off. I would say as these zones just work on a ropey database then the original plate will be good for the ULEZ without charge. Alpina upto about 2009 I think didn’t declare their emissions (hence the cheaper road tax). Maybe the private plate was on a non compliant car when the database was created causing these anomaly.
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Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
Thank you for the reply.
Yes, the easy option I guess is simply to change it back to its original plate, but if you want a private plate on an older car, Alpina or otherwise, then surely there must be another solution.
As for the other private plates I checked, I would assume, as I did, that most, if not all of them came straight from the DVLA. Mine did, and wasn't on another car previously. It’s a B10 plate - most of the other 5 or 6 I checked were B10 plates (that failed) and one was an ALP plate - again failed. Unlikely those were ever on any other cars I’d say, so it seems to be an Anolomy with the ULEZ database not being able to cope with private plates??
The buyer has had an official reply from TFL after submitting my cars current private reg. so surely there is an easier solution than getting this certificate and/or having to swap the reg. back to the original??
Cheers, David
Yes, the easy option I guess is simply to change it back to its original plate, but if you want a private plate on an older car, Alpina or otherwise, then surely there must be another solution.
As for the other private plates I checked, I would assume, as I did, that most, if not all of them came straight from the DVLA. Mine did, and wasn't on another car previously. It’s a B10 plate - most of the other 5 or 6 I checked were B10 plates (that failed) and one was an ALP plate - again failed. Unlikely those were ever on any other cars I’d say, so it seems to be an Anolomy with the ULEZ database not being able to cope with private plates??
The buyer has had an official reply from TFL after submitting my cars current private reg. so surely there is an easier solution than getting this certificate and/or having to swap the reg. back to the original??
Cheers, David
Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
On older Alpinas due to the low volume there is no certificate of conformity, therefore Alpina would not be able to issue one.
To enable me to register my first B10 V8 which I imported from Germany 17 years ago, I had to obtain a Commission Notice letter from BMW which stated that the vehicle conformed to EC specification.
Whether Sytner have records showing emission details for each vehicle is doubtful, also at the moment I would imagine their staff are otherwise engaged.
To enable me to register my first B10 V8 which I imported from Germany 17 years ago, I had to obtain a Commission Notice letter from BMW which stated that the vehicle conformed to EC specification.
Whether Sytner have records showing emission details for each vehicle is doubtful, also at the moment I would imagine their staff are otherwise engaged.
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Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
Hi, not speaking from a knowing for sure position but I would 'assume' (yes I know what that can do) that if actual figures were available then the car likely wouldn't conform in any case as it is maybe due to 'no data' being provided from the original plate that they cannot prove it has too high emissions for the new rules and hence why the old plate would get through the database as is. I wouldn't expect a classic V8 to be ultra low emissions friendly.
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Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity
Reading this I checked for my B12. Sure enough I see the same thing, i.e. on its private B12 plate it's not ulez compliant, but if I ask about its original age related R plate it is compliant. The 750 on which it is based is certainly not ulez compliant...
So I checked on my 1972 CSL, which is exempt from all of this as it is registered as a historic vehicle for road tax. That is also non compliant according to the checker
Go figure....
So I checked on my 1972 CSL, which is exempt from all of this as it is registered as a historic vehicle for road tax. That is also non compliant according to the checker
Go figure....
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Interesting thread. I have a non ALPINA 1999 E39 523i, it petrol, it is not ULEZ compliant. My V8 4.4 E65 ALPINA built 2005 is however Euro 4 and is compliant? It is also low tax as was before ALPINA declared CO2 emissions as a small car manufacturer, so less than 250 a year, in fact the E39 is slightly more!
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Yes, interesting, My E46 B3S and F45 225xe are both ULEZ compliant! How they work that one out is anybody's guess
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Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
Hi i have a B10 3.3 switchtronic Touring 2002
I enquired to tfl about ULEZ exemption & was told i need a emission certificate from the vehicle manufacturer.
I contacted Sytner & got Alpina's email.
I emailed Alpina "classic@alpina.de" & it cost 60euros for the certificate.
NOxvalue:0,059g/km
This car met the emission standard Euro 3 and use fuel type super unleaded.
------------------------CO2 emissions------Fuel consumption.
---------------------------- g/km. ------------ I/100 km
Urban conditions: ---------409 ----------------17,1
Extra-urban conditions: --200 -----------------8,3
Combined: ------------------276-----------------11,5
I then submitted it to tfl through there website, it took about a month but now it's ULEZ exempt.
I enquired to tfl about ULEZ exemption & was told i need a emission certificate from the vehicle manufacturer.
I contacted Sytner & got Alpina's email.
I emailed Alpina "classic@alpina.de" & it cost 60euros for the certificate.
NOxvalue:0,059g/km
This car met the emission standard Euro 3 and use fuel type super unleaded.
------------------------CO2 emissions------Fuel consumption.
---------------------------- g/km. ------------ I/100 km
Urban conditions: ---------409 ----------------17,1
Extra-urban conditions: --200 -----------------8,3
Combined: ------------------276-----------------11,5
I then submitted it to tfl through there website, it took about a month but now it's ULEZ exempt.
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Re: B10 V8, ULEZ and Obtaining a certificate of conformity?
On the TFL web site, there are various ways you can prove you vehicle is compliant and exempt from ULEZ fees. I assume B10 V8 owners are early adopters?
Euro emissions standards for ULEZ
Cars, motorcycles, vans and minibuses: petrol - Euro 4, diesel - Euro 6
Buses, coaches and HGVs: diesel - Euro VI
Required documents
Vehicle manufactured to a higher Euro standard than was mandatory (early adopters):
Copy of vehicle registration document (V5C)
Vehicle Manufacturers Conformity Certificate
Letter signed by a named individual from the vehicle manufacturer's homologation department showing the:
- Number plate (Vehicle Registration Mark)
- Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to - fuel type
- Nitrogen oxides (NOx) value and particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel)
Vehicle should be exempt or not subject to the ULEZ scheme:
Copy of vehicle registration document (V5C)
Four photographs of the vehicle (front, sides, rear and interior)
Registering for the 100% showman's discount:
Copy of vehicle registration document (V5C)
Detailed explanation of the equipment and how it is used for the show
Four or more colour photographs of the vehicle set up for use, from each of its four sides and clearly showing its registration number
Where the equipment is inside the vehicle, colour photographs of the vehicle interior with all doors open and the equipment in place, showing how it is permanently fitted
Retrofit technologies have been fitted:
Copy of vehicle registration document (V5C)
Proof of equipment fitted demonstrating the vehicle now meets the required standards or above
Vehicle is registered outside of the UK
Copy of vehicle registration document showing year of manufacture and the Euro standard it was manufactured to
You can upload a maximum of 19 documents for this application.
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