Regrettable but necessary - E91 D3BT Switchtronic / Lux Pack

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Regrettable but necessary - E91 D3BT Switchtronic / Lux Pack

Post by OggyOggyOggy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:10 pm

Regrettably, due to a recent unanticipated change in circumstances involving (among other things) a bad accident writing off the wife's car, and a change in job location for me (meaning very little driving) we are coming down to a one-car household.

Due to the knock she took in the crash (and the fact her Up! was so solid it arguably saved her life), she'll only consider a new VW as the "one" and so I need to sell #284 far sooner than I ever intended or wanted to.

My preference is for it to go to someone on here, and so I'm offering a very honest appraisal in exchange for (hopefully!) a sensible discussion about pricing - I have no financial "distress" requiring a fire sale... if there are no takers I'll (eventually :wink: ) prep it for Autotrader and sell that way. This is my 3rd D3BT and I've still not found a better "everything" car having owned everything from Porsches to fast Audis and BMW's M models.

Summary below:

2010 / 60 D3BT Switchtronic / Lux Pack (one of only 12 (I think) RHD models in this spec)
Space Grey
4 previous owners (I'm the 5th, but #2 and #4 were the same person)
FBMWSH
63k miles (I bought it last October from Sytner Nottingham at 51k, and so it still has a couple of months AUC warranty on it). My 12k miles have all been up and down the M1)

I also had an OEM-spec Westfalia removable towbar fitted with OEM 13 pin electrics just after I collected the car. It has never been used for towing - I only had it installed so I could mount a bike rack on the towball, rather than the roof. I am including the towball in the price and also have the original bumper in a box in the garage.

The MOT is being done next week, along with an interim oil service at my local and long-time used BMW specialist. I'm a bit fussy about maintenance and always change the oil annually rather than per the OBC.

Honest appraisal now follows:

The good bits:
All-round condition. It's a really clean and honest car that clearly hasn't ever been smoked in, carried wet dogs or had a hard life. It drives absolutely perfectly and feels every bit the car my first D3BT did at 9k miles.

Front tyres (Pilot PS4) both have c. 5mm tread
Rear tyres (Pilot PS2) both have c. 3mm tread

All wheels are straight with no dents / scrapes.

The things I would do to tidy it up for "full" sale:
A couple of cosmetic bits. The lower o/s splitter has a scrape that needs a SMART repair, and the rear bumper has a very light crack in it (somebody reversed into me at the gym and drove off without leaving a note :x )

The things I was planning to do to get it back to my version of perfect:
There are a couple of bits of lacquer peeled away on the n/s rear wheel, so ideally it needs recoating
I would fully respray the front bumper / splitter to remove 7.5 years of road rash. Nothing obvious, just the usual wear and tear.

...and that's it. I was planning to advertise it (with the above bits tidied up) for higher £14,xxx... but am offering it to forum members for £13,500 in it's unprepped state.

Photos below - any questions please PM


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2011 D3 Bi-Turbo Touring No 284 / Switchtronic / Lux Pack *For Sale*

2015 M135i - Mineral Grey / Manual - fast! *Gone*

2012 D3 Bi-Turbo No 470 - Black / Manual / Turbines **Gone**

2009 D3 Bi-Turbo No 57 - Space Grey / Switchtronic / Classics **Gone**

2015 VW Up! - 1 litre of 3 cylinder hilarity **Sadly - and badly - written off**

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Post by Charles » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:27 pm

If only all advertisement posts were like this :clap:
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Post by hap » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:41 pm

Sorry to hear your woes but everyone is safe and well
Sure that will sell nice spec and history and miles
Cheers

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Post by OggyOggyOggy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:02 pm

Charles wrote:If only all advertisement posts were like this :clap:
High praise indeed from a teacher... :D
hap wrote:Sorry to hear your woes but everyone is safe and well
Sure that will sell nice spec and history and miles
Cheers
Thanks - 'twas certainly a good crash... a van came straight out of a side road and flipped her at 50mph. According to witnesses her car somersaulted through the air before landing on the other side... so the roof is undamaged despite it rolling and being written off :shock:
2011 D3 Bi-Turbo Touring No 284 / Switchtronic / Lux Pack *For Sale*

2015 M135i - Mineral Grey / Manual - fast! *Gone*

2012 D3 Bi-Turbo No 470 - Black / Manual / Turbines **Gone**

2009 D3 Bi-Turbo No 57 - Space Grey / Switchtronic / Classics **Gone**

2015 VW Up! - 1 litre of 3 cylinder hilarity **Sadly - and badly - written off**

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Post by MikeB » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:31 pm

How did you get in with your sale
I have just put a similar post as struggling to value
Mine. 2010 touring bto switchtronic 56k
Don’t seem to get as much feedback from the site
As I would have expected
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Post by ali » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:23 pm

Do these models still have buttons on the back of the steering wheel as I see no arrows on the face of the wheel?
How would it compare to my old LCI E91 330D wagon that had 242 bhp and 520NM?
I know it's down 2 cylinders so won't be quite as potent but I have never driven a D3 either MT or BT
Is it professional nav with euro maps that comes in the 2nd binnacle?
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Post by ade and liz flint » Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:20 pm

ali wrote:Do these models still have buttons on the back of the steering wheel as I see no arrows on the face of the wheel?
How would it compare to my old LCI E91 330D wagon that had 242 bhp and 520NM?
I know it's down 2 cylinders so won't be quite as potent but I have never driven a D3 either MT or BT
Yeah, look closer and you'll see them. Buttons on wheel same as other switchtronics.

Won't be as quick in a straight line, but the handling and poise is greater. The 6cyl lumps just take the edge off the handling: D3biturbo is nicer on twisty roads than my B3sBiturbo, but on straightish roads, no contest!

BT trump's the MT on flexibility as the mono turbo takes a bit of spinning to get things flying. BT is much more flexible: I still yearn for my old one as the handling and power delivery on interesting roads made my trousers twitch. I seriously considered going back for a late E90/1 D3biturbo if #127 hadn't been there for me.
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981 Porsche Cayman GTS
Focus STline dog wagon

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ALPINA: E92 B3SBiturbo #285, E90 D3Biturbo #097, E85 Roadster S #168 & variety of 'grey' 4 and 6-cyl BMW lumps.
PORSCHE: Macan S, Cayman 981 S

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Post by ali » Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:27 am

Thanks Ade Great info there
Good to know your experiences in both petrol and derv variants.
I don't see any up or down arrows but the butttons remain on the back of the wheel ?
The stitching is a nice touch though

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Post by WJD » Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:27 am

I have to agree with Ade there is nothing like the D3 BT on twisty roads my wife had to tell me to slow down on Cornwall's back lanes. I'm not sure but I think i read the 4 pot motor is around 100kg lighter on the front axel than the 6 giving great turn in and 450nm of torque really pulls you out. I think there is video of a track day on the register of a match between a D3 BT and a 330i m sport at Donington the D3 was 3 seconds faster.. The driver was if I remember a BTCC driver

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Post by CaesarBob » Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:21 am

ali wrote:I don't see any up or down arrows but the butttons remain on the back of the wheel ?

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You can just see the silver of the marking on left hand side. It’s mainly visible if you’re looking straight down on wheel from above. If that makes any sense!
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Post by Metrics » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:58 am

WJD wrote:I have to agree with Ade there is nothing like the D3 BT on twisty roads my wife had to tell me to slow down on Cornwall's back lanes. I'm not sure but I think i read the 4 pot motor is around 100kg lighter on the front axel than the 6 giving great turn in and 450nm of torque really pulls you out. I think there is video of a track day on the register of a match between a D3 BT and a 330i m sport at Donington the D3 was 3 seconds faster.. The driver was if I remember a BTCC driver
I'd be really surprised if a D3 BT lump is 100kg lighter than a NA 3l 6 pot...

I'm sure the speed and sharper feel of a D3 BT will be down to a number of factors in combination, including:

* Superior Alpina chassis
* Bigger wheels, wider tyres, lower profile on BT
* Non-runflat on BT
* Lots of low down torque
* DTC programming differences
* Some modest weight differences :wink:
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Post by ade and liz flint » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:30 pm

ali wrote:Thanks Ade Great info there
Good to know your experiences in both petrol and derv variants.
I don't see any up or down arrows but the butttons remain on the back of the wheel ?
The stitching is a nice touch tho
Look on the OP pic above the one with the build #. You can see the + button marker

Both my E91 and E92 petrol variants feel grossly heavy in comparison to the E90 D3biturbo I had. The turn in on the petrols is less sharp, the handling less direct and the poise is lost. The steering is also incredibly heavy in comparison, a comment Autocar testers note in their reviews of B3sBiturbos. When I bought #286 virtually the 1st thing I did after putting tyre pressures right was to get it 4 wheel aligned as it felt awful tackling Welsh mountain roads after my D3biturbo. It changed nothing and my E91 now mirrors that. All cars ran the same wheels and tyres, although pressures are far higher on the petrol versions.

Bicolour stitching is standard on the lavalina wheels.

According to my info, the B3sBiturbo unladen weights are:

E90 1570kg
E91 1630kg
E92 1560kg

I don't have any E9X weights: anyone care to check their Alpina handbooks and tell? This may or not explain part of the dynamic difference. Info I can see suggests 1480kg for an E90, a 90kg advantage over the front axle if true.
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981 Porsche Cayman GTS
Focus STline dog wagon

Previously loved:
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PORSCHE: Macan S, Cayman 981 S

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Post by OggyOggyOggy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:01 pm

Sorry for the late reply, been a bit busy!

Yes it has the buttons - there is something so very tactile about them that makes them a joy to use. Per the other comments, the D3BT really has a fantastic chassis / suspension / ride, but for me the two outstanding features of the D3 are the steering, and the brakes. Everything just feels so right (I will never forget the first time I drove my first D3BT, I was staggered by how it drove compared to the Boxster S I had at the time). It rides and handles better than any car I’ve owned, and is as quick as you ever need it to be in the real world.

As for the car, now has a fresh MOT (straight through) and interim oil service completed last week.
2011 D3 Bi-Turbo Touring No 284 / Switchtronic / Lux Pack *For Sale*

2015 M135i - Mineral Grey / Manual - fast! *Gone*

2012 D3 Bi-Turbo No 470 - Black / Manual / Turbines **Gone**

2009 D3 Bi-Turbo No 57 - Space Grey / Switchtronic / Classics **Gone**

2015 VW Up! - 1 litre of 3 cylinder hilarity **Sadly - and badly - written off**

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Post by CaesarBob » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:10 am

Did you manage to sell in the end?
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'11 E92 320d M Sport Coupe (Sold)
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'89 E30 325iA M-Tech II "Shooting Brake" (Sold)
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Post by OggyOggyOggy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:38 pm

Sorry for the delay in following up here. I've not sold the car, because...


...I've decided to keep it :D

Couple of reasons, really:

1. It costs me next to nothing to keep / run

2. Replacing it (when I need to go back to 2x cars) will be too much of a pain (I waited so long to find this one)

3. The fact I've been using it so sparingly has allowed me to start to really enjoy it for what it is, i.e.

- Quick
- So comfortable
- Versatile
- The "right" level of tech (BT streaming is all I need!), without any of the auto park / AI-infused tea strainers modern cars seem to come with

So... thread closed :D
2011 D3 Bi-Turbo Touring No 284 / Switchtronic / Lux Pack *For Sale*

2015 M135i - Mineral Grey / Manual - fast! *Gone*

2012 D3 Bi-Turbo No 470 - Black / Manual / Turbines **Gone**

2009 D3 Bi-Turbo No 57 - Space Grey / Switchtronic / Classics **Gone**

2015 VW Up! - 1 litre of 3 cylinder hilarity **Sadly - and badly - written off**

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