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BMW Car Club

Post by flyboyben » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:21 pm

Is there a link between the Alpina Register and the BMW Car Club? I see on the BMWCC website they also have an "Alpina Register". Is this something different?
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Philrose » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:46 am

The simple answer is yes they are separate. This register is open to all - the Car Club to members only and the latter is virtually inactive.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:14 pm

Phil sums it up nicely.

The Alpina Register within the BMWCC is similar to the various other registers that exist - be it Regional (Wessex etc) or by model.

thealpinaregister.com is wholly independent of the BMWCC but there are close links between the two - particularly when it comes to making arrangements for ALPINAs attending BMWCC events such as Gaydon and the Silverstone Classic, for example.

Unlike other Registers within BMWCC, there is a lot more flexibility when it comes to ALPINA owners not needing to be BMWCC members because of the rarity of our particular cars weighed up against the desire to promote the brand within the Club.

Simon (SPA69 on here) runs the Club Register and I am sure would be able to offer a more detailed explanation if required (and correct any misrepresentation I might have inadvertently included).

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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:19 pm

I think Charles has pretty much got it right. I am working with Simon to organise events within the BMW Car Club GB and outside of it. We have an agreement with them that for example Gaydon non Club members can attend with ALPINA. I shall be standing in for Simon on that one this year. If any individual wishes to join the BMW CC GB that is a matter for them, I have been one for 8 years and Simon nearly 20 years I think.

With comparative small numbers of ALPINA owners there are some benefits of being with the club and some disadvantages. Example where an event needs Public Liability Insurance (such as Chris Evans car fest which we are doing 2019) we can use the clubs insurance. A major events such as Silverstone Classic the better pitches are awarded on the number of cars attending from each club, we had 12 ALPINA on a stand with over 200 other BMW but still had our own small marquee and flags and separate identity and display.

Some events are not open to non Club members and as such not posted on this forum.

If there really was sufficient interest and we could financially meet our obligations we might be prepared to have a separate ALPINA Club GB Limited, however this means we would operate as a not for profit organisation and need Directors who's fiduciary responsibilities would be the same as any private Limited Company Director. We would need to produce and file accounts, Vat and so on and so forth.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Norrie wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:19 pm
If there really was sufficient interest and we could financially meet our obligations we might be prepared to have a separate ALPINA Club GB Limited, however this means we would operate as a not for profit organisation and need Directors who's fiduciary responsibilities would be the same as any private Limited Company Director. We would need to produce and file accounts, Vat and so on and so forth.
I cannot see any value in such an arrangement - particularly as we currently get the best of both worlds in 99% of cases.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:32 pm

Charles, there are a number of considerations and issues going on which may not be apparent to a number of people. I do not intend in giving any explanation here. However, what I will say for the hard core who are able and have time to attend events and do not use just wish to use the services of this excellent forum, things may not always be "the best of both worlds" as it may appear. We all know that Social media groups can be formed in minutes and there are already 4 or 5 ALPINA ones, there is little to prevent any person forming any type of special interest group. There are tens of BMW groups called all sorts of things. I spend around 3 hours a day with ALPINA social media and have been able to reach out to more ALPINA owners and encourage them to participate and socialise, this certainly seems to be popular with a number of new owners I have met recently.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:12 pm

Norrie,

We all have an opinion and I simply offered mine. Your suggestion is something that I first heard being kicked around back in the early 2000s when I started my involvement with ALPINA and a bit before you did, I believe and it has reappeared several times since. Every time people have expressed interest in the idea but when the time came to do something, then nothing happened.

Like you, I follow several Facebook groups and each has its own style and culture. The challenge will be to develop an option that satisfies a large enough number of people. However, by trying to be all things to all people, it is extremely likely to end up beiing unsatisfactory to the majority. Bit like Brexit, if you'll allow me the comparison.

The real key is transparency to allow others to see how the idea is evolving. Then they can offer their tuppence and feel part of the evolution of a cohesive and focused group.

Just my opinion, mind.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by PhillV8S » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:23 pm

There is a difference between the Facebook groups and this forum though. This forum is an invaluable resource for information about our cars and can also be an easy to access tool for meets etc also.
Yes the Facebook groups have their place and role but can not replace a forum such as this for easy to access information on all matters Alpina.
The Facebook groups are good to promote meets and light chit chat but the historical info here is priceless imo. This should continue to be the de-facto go to place to post new info and find info on our cars in my option.
If I do any works on my car I am happy to post here first as a point of reference for other owners and likewise I hope owners will continue to contribute their own efforts and insights here for others to learn from in the future.
Let’s remember the vast majority don’t wish to or can’t afford the time out to attend meets, unlike myself or other ‘hardcore owners’ but this doesn’t make them any less enthusiastic in the brand or need for info on their own cars. I hope the 2 different formats can compliment each other rather than compete against each other.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:48 pm

Couldn't agree more, Phil :D
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:53 pm

There clearly is a need for a balance, many people use this forum as a valuable source of information and I am sure those who are capable and interested in repairing their car will find its the best place to go.

I personally have no skills, interest in learning, aptitude or desire to do much except put the key in and drive, attend shows and meetings and events any enter concours sometimes in the hope I might win.

To me any owner of an ALPINA is entitled to do whatever they wish that suits their personal circumstances. Therefore for me I do not even read anything technical specifically.

I am also not trying and have no desire to replace this forum or indeed any other forums, media or platforms that inform and embrace interest. If people wish to join my ALPINA FB group they can, if they do not they do not need to either. However, I am in control of the content on that specific site and it has many followers with little issue.

I am simply reaching out to those who can attend, want to attend, did not realise there was an event or even did not feel they could attend or need encouragement.

My belief is there is a balance, I try and do what I do, if no one is interested or only a few, we still go, those that are unable for whatever reason do not need to justify themselves, to anyone. There is no right or wrong, no better or worse, we are all owners.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:00 am

Norrie wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:53 pm
I am in control of the content on that specific site
Personally, I believe in open debate.

The biggest problem with closed groups is that they tend to reflect a shared opinion and become nothing more than narcissistic echo chambers which has no time for different views.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:05 am

Thus far 434 people from all over the Country and other geographical locations are following it, I have had no complaint from any of them about any discussions or content that takes place. We have Three moderators one from Germany, One from Luxembourg and myself. Only once has someone been removed to the best of my knowledge. The debate is open, but anyone who does not like the style, the content, the theme, the idea can simply leave. I do not use it personally as a massive debating tool, it is one method of getting those who can to come to events which is my prime objective.

In terms of any technical information I always point them towards this forum, I cannot answer any of those questions. When I say I am in "control" I mean I do not defer to any others, which follows my general life pattern in business and personal life. Exceptions are the Government, HMRC and the Lord.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Charles » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:19 am

If the debate is open, then why am I unable to see any of your comments on that site - just references to them by others?

Either your privacy settings are locked down so tight that only people you choose can see them or you have blocked me on Facebook. Either way, that feels like "control" rather than open debate.

Norrie - I think you need to understand that the internet reveals so much about people and how they tick and it's very easy to check for consistency in what people say and do. Your comment about not deferring is most revealing in itself. There are many occasions when I am wrong about something and I am always prepared to admit and accept that - but are you?
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:43 am

Charles, I will check the settings, its not deliberate it might be my social media incompetence. I do not claim to be right about everything or anything, in terms of my business I am 100% correct all the time and have been in my industry for 40 years having been a director of a 6.5 billion dollar asset business. My own is a small business affair and any mistakes were made a long time ago.

I do try and do due diligence about things that I say or post, which is why I rarely answer any technical questions. However, generally in life I need to defer to very few, If I have given poor advice, incorrect information or mislead someone inadvertently then why would I not apologise? it costs me nothing.

However, I certainly would not change my views, character, personal policies and procedures and choices on the basis of a suggestion via this forum, any other forum or personal discussion generally. I might do If I value the view depending upon which individual offered it and my perceived opinion of their credentials or personality. Being different is that which identifies us as individuals who are capable of forming our own views and being in control.
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Re: BMW Car Club

Post by Norrie » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:07 pm

Charles, I have reviewed the settings of my FB group for ALPINA, it is indeed a closed group. That is intentional and I am not changing that, those who post can see and read others posts. I already filter loads of requests to join from people trying to sell things, those who appear to wish to abuse ALPINA products. I am not a fan of replica or incorrectly badged cars which are not ALPINA. Therefore it is very much set up how I like it. I have posted and asked if any of the 434 members are unhappy or object, thus far not one negative comment, but there is time.
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E92 325i - written off by X5 I was not driving!
E92 335D Twin Turbo - sold to Sytner Alpina
E 60 - 525D new - sold to Cooper BMW
E 60 - 530D new - sold at auction
E 39 - 520i new - sold at auction
E 30 - 316i new Touring - sold at auction

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