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Post by E24man » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:43 pm

alpinaBT wrote:So what you are saying is your car is a 2.7 and is listed as a 2.5, which means when getting insurance the insurance providers will have the knowledge that your car is a 2.5 when its actually a 2.7.. I'm pretty sure that's going to make the insurance policy invalid? I'm quite sure when manufacturers built cars they put down the right engine capacity otherwise that would be against the law :roll:
If manufactures started putting down incorrect engine capacity ppl would have m3 engines in Micra's listed as a 1.1... It don't work like that, the model remains the same but the engine cc is changed on the logbook.
If you are referring to Simons alpina "f386edv" that's also down as a 2700cc like all the others.



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Lots of small volume manufacturers make mistakes - our 1993 TVR Griffith 500 was listed with a 4.3 engine on the V5 but had lots of paperwork to confirm it was in fact a full fat 5.0; we simply told the insurers that there was a mistake on the V5, that we had evidence it was a 5.0 and we insured it as a 5.0 and we all lived happily ever after.

The rolling eyes you seem to enjoy using in this thread does make it seem like you're being very condescending and 'having a go'. Just remember that it is quite often not all what it seems with quite a lot of the Sytner constructed Alpina cars.
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Post by simon13 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:30 pm

Sytners never had the C2 2.7 engine capcity changed on the V5's. Infact nothing was changed.

My own C2 is listed as a stock 325i with 2494cc on the V5. Thats how they did it then. Just adds to the importance of having the original service book to prove its provenance. Theres lots to look for on a genuine a car its knowing where to look!

Every E30 Alpina ive had has been the same, i've had 3 now.
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Post by alpinaBT » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:31 pm

"Lots of small volume manufacturers make mistakes" ???? ermm i dont think so, if "small volume" manufacturers started to make mistakes on logbooks that would cause quite a issue, cant be printing random engine sizes on logbooks....
You may have lived happily ever after but others would have concerns if they had a 5.0 litre car listed as a 4.3... If its not that much of a problem, then why not simply ring DVLA or the manufacturer and rectify the mistake on a new V5 instead of having a bunch of paperwork?

As i have said i wasnt having a go at the chap, its just the way things where put into words, whereas im not to happy about you saying i was showing attitude and being patronizing.


-Simon13 if thats the case then why are all the other cars i have shown photos of coming up as a 2.7?

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Post by daneil » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:48 pm

Thank you guys for the support i have pmed alpinabi my number and hopefully over the weekend once i start stripping the car e.g get the kit off he can have a nose n comfirm what i already know that my car is a gen pina 2.7

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Post by E24man » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:57 pm

Good luck with your car restoration OP; i've found Alpina restoration very enjoyable and rewarding when you get them properly sorted and on the road.

Just be careful alpinaBT doesn't convince you its a V6 under the bonnet :wink:
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Post by daneil » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:21 pm

Haha we had a chat over the phone it was a little misunderstanding thanks guys i havent joined this forum to argue with anyone simply joined it to share my progress with the car get some help and advice on the witch i have had really a nice bunch of lads on here and thanks again

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Post by alpinaBT » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:21 pm

Don't worry "e24 man" I don't convince ppl, all iv done is gone by the facts.. You just dont go saying you have a 6.3 litre amg down as a 1.1 litre micra on the logbook with paperwork to confirm its a genuine 6.3 amg and a mistake from a small company :lol: :lol:

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Post by daneil » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:04 pm

We starting this again lol

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Post by greenelekta » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:27 pm

I'd be guided by simon13 and E24man, loads of hands on Alpina expertise!
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Post by daneil » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:33 pm

Simon n e24 both have helped and given me great advise so far and i thank em for that

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Post by retro-bmw » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:31 am

I used to drive past this car on a regular was a real shame to see it sat there for over 10 years and not move an inch.

Is the e30 touring and e36 still sat on his drive?

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Post by AG » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:58 pm

(although I have seen one or two with the larger capacity shown but a latter owner could have registered the enlargement a few years down the line).
When we queried one or two cars a few years back with Sytners (and this was when they were open to talking to you about historical cars and conversion carried out), most of the cars were never registered from new with the change in engine capacity or the change in model description and remained as the base car. Rightly or wrongly this was how it was unless the owner requested this to be done.

However looking through records we did track down, the 2nd owner of 2 different cars DID change the capacity to 2.7.

I've had 5 Alpina's all from either 84 to 93 and the only one that had any change on the documents was the e36.

But this does raise the issue of insurance in todays market, so its always wise to let them know what you have, but if you go through a specialist broker, they'll know anyhow.

Good thats its being saved, good luck on the project.
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Post by MickB3 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:51 pm

daneil wrote:Simon n e24 both have helped and given me great advise so far and i thank em for that
Yes they are the ones to listen too.
Good luck with the project.
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Post by simon13 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:44 pm

Thing is you can get the log book changed to whatever you want in some respects! There will be a few where jobsowrth owners havce changed it.

Heres the evolution of how its gone from the Alpinas i've owned.

My 1988 E30 is down on the V5 as a bmw 325i with 2.5 capacity becuase thats how they did it then.

My 1996 E36 B3 which is a buchloe built car is still down as a bmw 328i BUT..... the engine capacity is down as 3.2 which is correct for the car

My 2004 e46 B3 is down as a BMW alpina B3 with the correct 3.4 capacity

So it only took till the e46 era for sytners to be bothered with the V5's

My imported 1992 e34 bi turbo was down on the log book as exactly what it was, no doubt because it was imported.

alpinaBT am i allowed to say your attitude is quite annoying? Heres my facts from the log books in my possession

More to the point where are the pictures!
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Post by alpinaBT » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:57 pm

Not annoying Simon just trying to put a point across but no one seems to get my point, page 2, five pictures of different alpina's all registered as 2700cc except one.
I'm not talking about the make and model, I have not mentioned that, what I meantioned was the engine capacity....
Many people seem to believe that the e30 alpinas were registered as having 2500cc engines yet not one car on the register is down as a 2500cc... That seems a little odd considering people on the register own a c2 2.7 with 2500cc yet neither one has added there's to the register a part from the ones who have them down as a 2700cc.

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